From jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU Fri Oct 22 14:25:44 EDT 1993 Article: 32596 of alt.conspiracy Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa,soc.culture.latin-america Path: murdoch!hopper!jad From: jad@hopper.ACS.Virginia.EDU (John DiNardo) Subject: Part 6, Corporate FBI/CIA Terrorizes American Citizens Message-ID: Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Keywords: Part 6, Corporate FBI/CIA Terrorizes American Citizens Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: U.Va. Internet Public Access Project Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1993 09:36:31 GMT Lines: 185 ____ ____ ____ ____---- ----____ ____---- ----____ ____ ---- ---- ---- T H E P E O P L E'S S P E L L B R E A K E R ____ ____ ____ ---- ----____ ____---- ----____ ____---- ---- ---- ---- DATE OF PRINTING PRICE: __ CENTS THE NEWSPAPER FOR THE PEOPLE OF [your territory; example:] NEVADA * * * * * MORNING EDITION * * * * * EDITOR: John DiNardo PUBLISHER: [your name (optional)] ________________________________________ From the free airwaves of The People's Pacifica Radio Network station: WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707 ________________________________________ Part 6, Corporate FBI/CIA Terrorizes American Citizens ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ROSS GELBSPAN: This is very important because the Federal Bureau of Investigation, according to its charter and according to its organization, is supposed to be ABSOLUTELY non-political. It is only supposed to be a law enforcement agency. [JD: To my knowledge, the FBI is only supposed to be an investigatory agency.] And when, for example, William Webster was questioned prior to his confirmation as Director of Central Intelligence (Webster was the Director of the FBI during this whole period), he strongly denied that there was any FBI involvement in the Oliver North operation [against American dissidents] and he denied that there was any substantive FBI contact with Oliver North, and he denied that there was any FBI involvement in any of these activities by North. Yet, we really know that this is not true. Take the case of Phil Mabrey. Phil Mabrey is a private investigator in Fort Worth, Texas. He worked with Oliver North to drum up support for the [Nigaraguan] Contra support policies. I don't know if you remember this, but during the [Texas Sen. John] Tower Commission's investigation, there came out a series of diagrams that showed the interlocking nature of a lot of these foundations that Oliver North used for fund-raising and funding movements. And those diagrams were thought to be from Oliver North's hand. Later they turned out to be from Phil Mabrey's hand. Mabrey, in fact, has telephone logs that showed something like forty to fifty calls back and forth between him and North. When Mabrey met with North, North gave him a list of United States [citizens'] organizations opposing President Reagan's policies in Central America and individual activists. And North said to Mabrey [paraphrasing], "I want you to do the following. I want you to write to the FBI and ask them to investigate these groups. And I want you to get a bunch of other conservative organizations around the country to write to the FBI with this same list, asking the FBI to investigate, because if the FBI gets requests to investigate from independent sources around the country, that is sufficient for the FBI to launch this investigation." Mabrey did that. Mabrey got a response from [FBI second-in-command Buck] Ravel saying that he was very interested in what he was doing and that Ravel would be very responsive to it. And, in fact, those [dissident] groups were on the files of the FBI that later came out when the Center for Constitutional Rights [a Washington, D.C. public interest legal institute] pried loose the FBI's files on the CISPES [Committee in Solidarity with the People of El Salvador] investigation, after a great deal of effort. Over and beyond that, North had, according to his diaries, a fourteen-month relationship with an FBI agent named David Biesner [sp]. And we know that North asked Biesner to get him information on several groups, one of which was the Christic Institute which was mounting a lawsuit against North and people in what they called North's "Secret Team," people who were doing the "off-the-shelf" Contra supply operations. North asked Biesner to find out who was supporting this group. There was another group in Washington, D.C. called the International Center for Development Policy which was headed by Robert White, the former U.S. Ambassador to El Salvador during the Jimmy Carter Administration that was also looking into illegal CIA involvement in the Oliver North operations. North asked Biesner to get him the computer disks that listed the people who supported this organization and who contributed to it. In North's diaries, after one meeting with Biesner, he has a notation that reads: "Looking at what can be done to expand surveillance on [Tony] Avirgan and [Martha] Honey." These are the two journalists who were really at the center of the lawsuit by the Christic Institute against the Reagan Administration and against the members of what was called "the Secret Team". There is an interesting postscript to this. Oliver North came to the Boston Globe last year on a publicity tour to promote his recent book. And, after all of the other questions were asked, a couple of reporters asked him about THESE domestic surveillance events, and Oliver North turned pale white and North said, "Gee, I didn't know that you knew about this. This isn't supposed to be known! I cannot comment about that, on the record." And so, the next day in the Boston Globe, there was a fairly long article about this interview with North which said that North said such and such about Reagan, North said such and such about [Reagan aide, Admiral John] Poindexter. And then, toward the end of the article, it said: "Sources close to North said that [CIA Director] William Casey was responsible for the wiretapping of the Congressmen, and William Casey was responsible for this connection of the FBI to the National Security Council." Above and beyond that, inside the FBI, the unit that was really conducting this whole investigation of the U.S. groups opposed to President Reagan's Central American policy reported to a man who, during this period, was the number two man in the FBI. His name was Oliver Ravel -- Buck Ravel. Ravel sat with North on several inter- agency counter-terrorist task forces. And Ravel did concede that he had discussed these investigations with North. So we do know that despite the fact that the FBI is not supposed to work with the National Security Council, that it is supposed to be politically independent and not work in tandem with the White House, we do know that that, in fact, was not the case. Most interestingly, William Webster, during his confirmation hearings, neglected to mention any of these contacts. And later on, when Congressional staff were shown this material, they said, "Boy, Webster never told us this stuff at all." At this time, Webster was the Director of Central Intelligence. GARY NULL: Thank you very much for that very insightful discussion. Ross, I'd like to look at some other aspects. First, how did Congress react when it was given this information: beginning with Senator Jeremiah Denton and the Senate Subcommittee on Security and Terrorism, and the fact that Congress approved the doctrine of what was called "Active Measures", which was developed under CIA Director Casey's regime, which permitted the FBI to surveill, as potential terrorists, ANYONE who espoused a position which conformed to a position of the U.S.S.R. regarding, say, Central America, South Africa, Israel, nuclear disarmament -- any of these issues. AND THAT DOCTRINE IS STILL IN FORCE TODAY AND IT CAN BE USED TO TRIGGER ANY INVESTIGATION OF ANY LAW-ABIDING PERSON IN THE UNITED STATES WHO DECIDES TO TAKE A POSITION WHICH THEY, ARBITRARILY AND CAPRICIOUSLY CAN THEN CHARGE THAT: "YOUR POSITION IS THAT OF A TERRORIST BECAUSE YOU VIEW NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT IN A WAY THAT WE CHALLENGE. AND BECAUSE WE DON'T LIKE THE WAY YOU ARE VIEWING NUCLEAR DISARMAMENT, WE CAN CONSIDER YOU A TERRORIST AND ALLOW THE FBI TO DO ALL THESE [CRIMINAL] THINGS TO YOU." (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * As I see it, the best way that you and I can reap a harvest from the seeds of realization that are being planted here is for each of us to join together to combine our individual strengths into one huge arm powerful enough to wield the awesome sword of the law, forged in Constitutionality, against the totalitarian forces who are subverting our Government and gradually herding us all into subjugation. And so I urge you to contact either one of two legal institutes that I know of having the courage, the resolve and the respect for justice necessary to serve as that sword of legality: William Davis Ramsey Clark The Christic Institute International Action Center 8773 Venice Blvd. 39 West 14th St., suite 206 Los Angeles, CA 90034 New York, NY 10011 1(310)287-1556 1(212)633-6646 John DiNardo ~~~ ~~~