Article 20602 of alt.conspiracy: Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy,alt.activism,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.individualism,talk.politics.misc,misc.headlines,soc.culture.usa Subject: Part 3, Curing AIDS Victims & Debunking Deadly Medical/Media Drug Dogma Message-ID: <1993Feb18.170205.13539@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU> Followup-To: alt.conspiracy Keywords: Curing AIDS Victims & Debunking Deadly Medical/Media Drug Dogma Sender: usenet@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU Organization: UVA. FREE Public Access UNIX! Lines: 162 The following transcript is of a tape-recorded broadcast by NO-commercials, NO-corporate-influences, listener-funded, beacon-of-truth Pacifica Radio Network station of the People: WBAI-FM (99.5) 505 Eighth Ave., 19th Fl. New York, NY 10018 (212) 279-0707 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * (continuation) DR. BERNSTEIN: Well, I went through and reviewed all the literature I could find. I used the computer programs that are available in most university libraries to pull up every reference I could find to "female prostitutes," "HIV infections" and "AIDS." And what I found was very suprising to me, but in reviewing the literature, I found that people have actually known this for at least five years: that in every country except African countries ..... and there we have many complications, such as a huge number of endemic diseases and gross malnutrition in the population, things like that ..... everywhere else there are almost no cases of female prostitutes who have developed an HIV infection who are not intravenous drug users. Now, that means that in New York City, San Francisco, places where HIV is quite prevalent, they are not picking up the HIV infections. And every Western country in the World has concluded that female prostitutes are not vectors for spreading HIV. They are not the means by which HIV is going to enter the heterosexual population. Now, there is also another very strange fact which I went on to look up, which is: Where is the HIV? You would assume that people who have HIV infections have HIV, say, in their vaginal fluid or have HIV in their semen. It turns out that when you read the literature carefully -- again, dozens of studies: The New England Journal of Medicine, places like that -- it shows that there is virtually no HIV in the semen of most HIV-positive men. Most studies show that less than ten percent of men ever carry HIV in their semen. And most of the studies I found show that women who are HIV-infected do not have HIV in their vaginal fluid. They will have it in some of their white blood cells, but not in the fluid itself, which means you actually have to have direct contact with their immune system before you can pick up the HIV. GARY NULL: Explain the epidemiology in Africa, in what they're calling "AIDS". DR. BERNSTEIN: Well, that's a very complicated issue. First of all, when you go back and look at the indicator diseases for AIDS -- things like Kaposi sarcoma, volatoxyl[sp] plasmosis, a lot of these other diseases -- you find that there are cases in women and young children developing very quickly, ultimately ending up in death within a year or two: all the typical symptoms of AIDS, as far back as the 1940s and `50s. I've actually heard people from Africa say: "Well, we never saw Kaposi sarcoma in women or children prior to 1982 or 1983." They obviously have not read their own literature because there is a tremendous amount of literature on Kaposi sarcoma and other things like that which is available. When you look at the risk factors, they are tremendous. There was actually a study done in 1987, I believe published in the Journal of the American Medical Association where the National Institutes of Health and the Center for Disease Control went over to Africa, looked at the immunological status of the typical heterosexual and found that they are not comparable to people in the United States, Canada or Western Europe. The only direct correlate they could find were intravenous drug users in the Western World and very promiscuous, drug-using, homosexual men. Those are the groups which are at the highest risk for AIDS in the United States. The reason for the very low immunological tests in the [African] heterosexuals was that they have extremely high rates of infection, such as syphilis and gonorrhea, at hundreds or thousands of times the rate you see in heterosexuals in the United States. Malaria is endemic, and malaria infections are known to be immune- suppressive. Helminth, which is a general term for various worm infections, things like that, infect maybe forty to fifty percent of the population. Helminth is known to be immune-suppressive. Blood transfusions are a very frequent way of treating anemia due to malnutrition (malnutrition, again, being a major problem in sub-Saharan Africa), and the blood transfusions, as I said, are immune-suppressive themselves. Unfortunately, the data I've dug up says that in most hospitals, they don't do much more than type the blood. That means they don't test it for hepatitis, cytomegalovirus, HIV or the other things, which means you have lots of little children, women getting blood transfusions full of all sorts of infections. And obviously they don't have the kind of medical care that we have, to begin with. So, essentially, it's a disaster. To say that AIDS is new there, I think, is incorrect. And to say that all the malnutrition and all those other things can be ignored and that we can pin everything on HIV as THE cause of AIDS, again, is so simplistic that it doesn't make any sense. GARY NULL: Later in this week, I'm going to be doing an in-depth analysis of what I call "the falsification of statistics on AIDS" which no one, up to this point, seems to have been interested in challenging. Well, I actually went to the sources at the World Health Organization, the Center for Disease Control and the National Institutes of Health, and I asked them for proof -- to validate their statements on who has AIDS and who is HIV-infected. They could not do so. I was appalled at this. I thought that that should have made front-page headlines in the New York Times: the fact that they are, on the one hand, making headlines saying that twenty million, a hundred million, two hundred million people are now infected or will die of AIDS (the figures change depending upon the source). And then, a simple call to Dr. Fauci's office and his meeting with some scientists and physicians ..... You see, here's where it gets interesting. If you take someone to the CDC and you say: "Here's a person who has been treated with an alternative treatment for AIDS," they're going to say: "Well, how do you know he had AIDS?" And you say: "Well here's the medical profile -- P-24, total T cells, etc." Then they say: "Well, did you have it done at three separate laboratories, three times?" And you'll say: "Well, no. We had it done once." They'll say: "Doesn't qualify. So, we're not calling that a case of AIDS." You say: "You mean you have to have THREE separate tests done three times? And if you don't, then it's not AIDS?" They say: "That's right." Okay, then I just reversed it. "How many people that you are now claiming have AIDS in the United States, and how many people you're claiming are HIV-infected have had these three tests done?" And you will find that no one has met that standard. They don't HAVE any statistics on this, which means that someone is simply MAKING UP an awful lot of figures about who is infected -- which is one of the reasons that they continue to spread the idea that it's going to be rampant in the United States. And yet, the epidemiology does NOT show that it is A), an epidemic and B), gotten into the heterosexual population. And it's still remaining in the same subset, even though POLITICALLY, it's not correct to think that way. And you'll get a lot of the activists groups angry because everyone has their own agenda. If you're going to look at the science, then you'll all have to play by the same rule. And if the rule for determining if you are HIV-infected is that you have to determine it by certain accurate blood chemistries, then the reality is that you're not going to find anyone in Africa who has HIV virus because they're not testing for it over there. And they're looking at symptoms. (to be continued) * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This information could benefit millions of people who have, or who will have the HIV virus. So please help to disseminate it by posting the episodes of this ongoing series to computer bulletin boards, and by posting hardcopies in public places, both on and off campus. John DiNardo The episodes of this and other series can be retrieved via anonymous ftp from the site: red.css.itd.umich.edu Log in with name "anonymous" or "ftp" and supply your e-mail address as the password. The files are kept in the directory /poli/Essays/Conspiracy Instructions for ftp retrieval are dependent upon what sort of system the user is on. On a UNIX machine, at the command prompt, type the following: ftp red.css.itd.umich.edu This may be different on IBMs and Vax systems. Archivist: Paul Southworth, pauls@css.itd.umich.edu